it was Dionysus - and as they watched him they felt their mouths pull back and their backs - I've got a bad back but I'll try and do it for - their backs started to be arched and they felt spiney and they turned into dolphins and they jumped over the side and they swam off in a great thunderstorm out of the story and I always thought that was a terrific story - it must seem - something - I dont know what but the thing about stories is once they get into your head they have their own power whatever they might mean and I'd always remembered that - this great ship going off with this beautiful boy surrounded by dreadful cruel beasts to protect him and Roger and I liked that idea of a great storm and of dreadful beasts that would protect children - I think that was at the heart of it and Roger said oh we'll do that then and off he went -

Roger - he started to draw sort of pictures of dolphins and of men changing their skins to protect a child but - we didn't quite do that story but it's there somehow if you lift the wall if you go close to the wall and say ah there's a bit of that Dionysus story in there you can feel the taste of it so that was one story.

When I was about five I had ringworm - I don't know whether people have ringworm anymore - it was the sort of thing you had back in the 1940's and I had this ringworm and I was taken to this hospital and they put - I remember I had to go down these stairs - I was five and my mother said you've got to go and there were these nurses there and I didn't want to go and they grabbed me and pulled me down and I could and I wanted to go back with my mother and I couldn't and I was kept in this place - they put on my head plasters all the way round like a cap - a close cap on my head and I didn't know why they were doing that oh and my auntie sent me a little book about a mouse called Matilda and these two fucking twins stole this book and I can remember feeling dispossessed all the time and the other thing - they gave a pair of little trousers to wear which were sort of cotton with flowers on and I hated them - it was like the things they give a convict and at the end of that time I went to this ward and there were nurses and this nurse came along and the place was full of soldiers because it must have been close to after the end of the war I s'pose and one of the nurses got hold of this thing and she ripped it off and ripped all the hair off my head and the soldier jumped off the bed and punched the nurse and knocked her out he said you mus you can't do that - I can remember - I couldn't see my head but I could imagine it looking like a pomegranite that you peeled off I tell you that because there was another story that came along I don't know where I got it from it might have come from talking to you Trina or talking to Roger or other people at the hydrotherapy unit because I had to think of -