Roger and I were talking about what happens to these children what's going and I was told what happens to many of them is this - they have traumatic accidents traumatic experiences - this can't happen to all of them but to some and then they're brought into hospital and in order to protect them they are covered in a great plaster mould to stop them being able to move and they're in that mould completely covered like mummies with a small hole (Trina - not quite like that - from here to their feet) from here to their feet (Trina - with relavant holes) this is not what they told me - I was going to say relavant holes just to prove - but I prefer my tale because you see the thing is you pick up these things and they go around your head and that's how they come out isn't it? and then there were - it's 12 weeks is that all right? - 6 weeks and they are unable to move for 6 weeks cut off from everything and then at some point the plaster is broken and they're dirty and they're covered in bits of plaster and they go through - from what I'm told perhaps Ive imagined this - a sort of car wash which takes off - washes this stuff away and they're put into a sling that's a harness - is that right? - and brought along a corridor and - I always imagined the ghost train at the end phomp! it burst open and there is the hydrotherapy unit and in they went and when I thought of that it seemed to me to be a really - a piece of horror just like the ghost train that for children - because of course I imagine they can't move their muscles properly because they've been - they've lost the use of their muscles that's right? and their skin must be tender if they've been? yes - so they don't want to be touched and they can't move and they go into - and then these women have to take them - you're all women aren't you? all the names that I've got are women - have to then try and help them to recover and so there's another story that was going through my mind and I kept remembering how that - that terrible thing that I've experienced when I was a child - I knew that even nice things like those coloured cotton drawers could be frightening and terrifying - I thought of that because Roger had drawn a dolphin - a man turning into a dolphin and I thought it was terrific I thought it was an absolutely terrific drawing and people came along and said well it'll frighten children and I kept thinking cotton drawers with flowers on will frighten children, that you never know what's going to frighten them or what's going to happen in that respect.

Anyway one of the things that we wanted was what you call a narrative that's a story - now a narrative is a story with a narrative you start off with every thing more or less alright and then something goes wrong and you have this awful struggle and at the end everything's restored it's the same thing but not quite it's always changed so we thought that's how we should do it we want a story for children when they go in there to follow and the trouble with stories is that they normally work out for the best and I don't know perhaps you can tell me the hydrotherapy pool is not a guarunteed cure for anybody it doesn't mean if you go in there it's going to cure you it doesn't mean you're going to get better it might help you in various ways but we can't sell it as a story where people come through and emerge at the other end triumphant